In this week's episode of the Rock's Backpages podcast, Barney Hoskyns and Mark Pringle are joined by David Hepworth to talk about his experiences as a music journalist, editor, broadcaster and now best-selling author. In a free-ranging conversation, they hear how he got his start way down the totem pole at the NME before joining the nascent Smash Hits under Nick Logan. They also talk about his longstanding collaboration with Mark Ellen, from founding Q magazine to presenting the Old Grey Whistle Test. Finally, they quiz him on his new book, The Rock and Roll A Level. Neither Mark nor David has much to say about free feature Elbow, so Barney notes Elbow's rather unlikely rise to national treasures and enthuses about how nice Guy Garvey is. The week's audio interview is with a reluctant, reticent Ginger Baker in 2015, and they listen to a clip in which he refuses to be drawn on his relationship with his family. The three of them then discuss his status as rock's first superstar drummer and consider his irascible nature, wondering whether he might be the most unpleasant man in the history of rock and roll. Finally, Mark presents some of his highlights from the week's other additions to RBP, including interviews with Pete Townshend, Billy Paul and 'complete tosser' (Mark) Just-Ice.